| Re: "Hackers" vs. "Crackers" [message #183860 is a reply to message #183857] |
Fri, 22 November 2013 18:52   |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 11/22/2013 11:36 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-11-21 23:16:
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>> On 11/21/2013 4:48 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jason C wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a script that's constantly under attack by hackers submitting odd
>>>
>>> s/hackers/crackers/
>>>
>>> Rule of thumb: Hackers build, crackers (attempt to) destroy.
>>>
>>
>> No, hackers is the correct term. You really should learn to understand
>> English before correcting a native speaker of it.
>
> <http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hacker?q=hacker>
> <http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hacker?q=cracker>
>
> Seems the official meaning of both words is the same.
>
Which means Pointed Head's correction was WRONG. And "Hackers" is much
more recognized and used than "crackers". But once again, a non-native
English speaker is trying to correct a native English speaker.
> And <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker> shows, there is much more
> about this topic than a simple "hackers are people attacking computer
> systems".
>
> Anyway - "hacker" originally just referred to computer enthusiasts
> "hacking" on their keyboards. Also see "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer
> Revolution" by Steven Levy, ISBN 0-385-19195-2.
>
Yes, and "Hello" was originally an exclamation of surprise. Word
definitions change.
> Some hackers *also* used their skills to gain access to systems with
> poor or no special protection at all and some also sold the acquired
> data - but this does not mean that a "hacker" is always a bad guy.
>
I never said it did.
> Later "hacking" also became the synonym for using technology in new ways
> - a "hack" is just another creative use for existing technology or to
> deal with technical limitations.
>
That term was popular long before computers came into popularity.
> On the opposite - "cracking" originally referred to "crack" copy
> protections in computer games. In the 1980ies there where a number of
> popular "Cracker Groups", for example:
>
> <http://csdb.dk/search/advancedresult.php?form[category]=groups&group_type[]=2>
>
> Later "cracker" was also used as a synonym for "bad" hackers with
> criminal intents. But today many people just say "hacker" when they
> actually mean "black hat" or "script kiddie".
>
>
"Black Hat" and "Script Kiddie" have different meanings, and are a
subset of hackers. "Black Hat" originally referred to spies. And
"script kiddies" may or may not be bad guys. Richard, for instance.
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