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Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts [message #185900 is a reply to message #185897]

Wed, 14 May 2014 09:09

The Natural Philosoph
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On 14/05/14 09:36, crankypuss wrote:
> Still, since I can use PHP as my own linux scripting language, and use
> it to write fullblown applications, and have a bunch of PHP code that
> works fairly decently, I continue in that direction.
>
> Apparently without much company, as I read the replies here. <g>

If the first language you learnt in Linux was PHP, then you are likely
to actually be more faimliar in that environment.

MOST linux scripts are not shell these days. python and perl are more
common, which means you have to carry the overheadf of all THOSE
libraries as well.

I cam me to UNIX when there was only shell or C. or AWK :-)

Since I was at that time a full time C programmer, I looked askance at
people constructing massive shell scripts that took enormous amounts of
CPU to run and were extremely hard to maintain. I generally found that
beyond the more simple, C was in fact faster to write and easier to
maintain and ran 100-1000 time faster.

PHP is something I use simply because it is a doddle to integrate with
websites. Nevertheless I think its a pretty poor language.

I never use it outside a web context because frankly C is to my mind
better, and neater and more in line with the way the operating system is
itself constructed.

Having got used to dong my own string manipulations, my own memory
management and my own library construction over many years of writing
low level code for non UNIX systems in C, the advantages if knowing
exactly what you are doing completely outweigh the disadvantages of not
having it done for you.

The context and scope of my variables are what I declare them to be, not
randomly what the PHP designer thought would be handy.

MY variables are static or stack based ad dont need memory management,
and if I do use malloc() I know how to free() and when to do it.

If I want the third character out if the string str, its simply str[2];

I don't need to invoke a PHP function to get (a copy of) it.

And if it happens to be a hexadecimal code, I dont need to think about
whether or not its ascii, UTF or an arbitrary bit pattern. It is after
all 'just a byte'

This isn't in the end anything more than saying that what you understand
best is often the best for you.

Accept its a personal thing, and don't try to justify it in objective
terms, when its really subjective.

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
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		query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 08:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 13 May 2014 08:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 10:52
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Auric__ on Tue, 13 May 2014 13:28
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jonathan N. Little on Tue, 13 May 2014 14:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Collin Pruitt on Tue, 13 May 2014 15:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:05
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Johnny on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:32
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 20:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Tue, 13 May 2014 21:10
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 22:03
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:55
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Wed, 14 May 2014 00:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 00:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:18
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:20
		PHP Gui Toolkits (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:58
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:04
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:38
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:59
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:01
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Wed, 14 May 2014 10:40
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Wed, 14 May 2014 19:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 08:44
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:39
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Wed, 14 May 2014 11:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Wed, 14 May 2014 19:54
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 20:50
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Thu, 15 May 2014 14:45
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jonathan N. Little on Thu, 15 May 2014 11:58
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 15:55
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:08
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:04
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 03:42
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:21
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 11:32
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:39
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 14:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 14 May 2014 18:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 20:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:18
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:10
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:05
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:51
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:34
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 13:52
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:13
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 07:12
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Fri, 16 May 2014 11:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:03
		PHP integers (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 14:03
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Thu, 15 May 2014 15:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 15 May 2014 17:14
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Fri, 16 May 2014 01:45
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 16 May 2014 08:25
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 16 May 2014 13:14
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 07:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 15 May 2014 17:33
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 08:36
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:58
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Allodoxaphobia on Tue, 13 May 2014 21:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:24
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:53
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:13
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Thu, 15 May 2014 10:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 14:17
		init-system, bash, etc. (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Fri, 16 May 2014 16:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Aragorn on Thu, 15 May 2014 01:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:20
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Johnny on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:04
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:28
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:26

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