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Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts [message #185902 is a reply to message #185891]

Wed, 14 May 2014 09:18

crankypuss
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On 05/13/2014 06:37 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/13/2014 8:26 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 5/13/2014 6:03 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Depends what you're doing. My app has 74 PHP scripts, some of which do
>>>> things like communicate with remote hosts, rotate logs, move files
>>>> around, read/write a variety of SQLite databases. Doubtless all this
>>>> could be done in C, but why should I bother.
>>>
>>> I agree, Tim. I have a number of scripts which do everything from
>>> backing up files and databases to parsing email messages and updating
>>> spam filters.
>>>
>>> Sure, I *could* do it in C - but why bother? And I *could* do it in
>>> Linux scripts - but then I'd just have to redo them for Windblows.
>>>
>>> Of course, I could use Perl or other OS-agnostic scripting languages,
>>> but why bother?
>>>
>>> PHP is great for a lot of things. People who think it's only good for
>>> web work are not aware of all of the possibilities.
>>
>> People figure out the language that best fits their personalities, and
>> run
>> with it.
>>
>> I don't care if it is C, Perl, Erlang, Haskell, brainfuck, PHP, Python,
>> shell script, Java, Ruby, C#, or C++. By now they overlap about
>> 70% to 99% in functionality, if you count the supporting libraries.
>>
>> Use what makes *you* feel productive. For me, that is currently C++,
>> one of
>> the most flexible languages ever.
>>
>
> I agree it depends on the situation. But the language needs to be what
> the JOB requires - not what makes you feel productive.

Yes, but in addition to a language's being capable of doing the job,
it's also convenient not to be unproductive. <g> Both aspects seem to
be necessary, capability and "language ergonomics".

> Along with PHP, I also do C (almost 30 years), c++ (25 years), Java (10
> years) and other languages. The language I use is completely dependent
> on the job.
>
> For instance - C++ is nice, but doesn't work well with Linux Device
> Drivers. You're better off using C for that. And it can't be as easily
> modified and changed as PHP, which works great as a scripting language.
> I would never, for instance, use C++ to do the SPAM email parsing and
> updating; PHP has tools which making parsing emails easy, unlike C++.
> But at the same time I would never try to write a GUI program in PHP.

I have a number of fullscreen text-based applications written in PHP,
but if it came down to having to draw every pixel I'd probably want to
brush up on C or C++ because those are the languages for which
pixel-based GUI support libraries exist (not that I'm much impressed
with the results of using those libraries as exhibited by gnome2).

Most of the whizbang flashies that are implemented as parts of "GUI"
applications are unnecessary anyway if there is adequate support for a
good menu system (which mostly, there isn't). And the idea of using a
mouse for everything by dragging this or that icon from hither to yon,
or double clicking on an icon, is an oversimplification imo that has
caused grievous damage to the computing world as a whole. At the same
time the ability to click on a link in html is one of its great
benefits, and flyovers can be very helpful.

All that's mostly opinion, and only mentioned because you said you'd
never attempt a GUI application in PHP, and I wanted to point out that
it isn't so much because of PHP itself that your choice there is
sensible (though drawing individual pixels in an interpreted language is
somewhat questionable), but because there's simply no good support for
writing GUI applications in PHP.

That's as it is, but there's no law of the universe which prohibits such
support from being developed for PHP or some PHP-derivative.

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		query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 08:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 13 May 2014 08:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 10:52
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Auric__ on Tue, 13 May 2014 13:28
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jonathan N. Little on Tue, 13 May 2014 14:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Collin Pruitt on Tue, 13 May 2014 15:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:05
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Johnny on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:32
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 20:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Tue, 13 May 2014 21:10
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Tue, 13 May 2014 22:03
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:55
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Wed, 14 May 2014 00:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 00:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:18
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:20
		PHP Gui Toolkits (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:58
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:04
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:38
		Re: PHP Gui Toolkits By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:59
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:01
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Wed, 14 May 2014 10:40
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Wed, 14 May 2014 19:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 08:44
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:39
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Tim Streater on Wed, 14 May 2014 11:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Wed, 14 May 2014 19:54
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 20:50
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: JEDIDIAH on Thu, 15 May 2014 14:45
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jonathan N. Little on Thu, 15 May 2014 11:58
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 15:55
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:08
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:04
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 03:42
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:21
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 11:32
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:39
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 14:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 14 May 2014 18:00
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 20:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:18
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:10
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:05
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:51
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:34
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 13:52
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:13
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 07:12
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Fri, 16 May 2014 11:29
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:03
		PHP integers (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 14:03
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Thu, 15 May 2014 15:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:07
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:37
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 15 May 2014 17:14
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Ben Bacarisse on Fri, 16 May 2014 01:45
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 16 May 2014 08:25
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 16 May 2014 13:14
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 07:17
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 15 May 2014 17:33
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 08:36
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:58
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Allodoxaphobia on Tue, 13 May 2014 21:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:24
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Wed, 14 May 2014 21:23
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 15 May 2014 02:53
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 08:13
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Chris Ahlstrom on Thu, 15 May 2014 10:09
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 15 May 2014 16:49
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jasen Betts on Fri, 16 May 2014 12:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Fri, 16 May 2014 14:17
		init-system, bash, etc. (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Fri, 16 May 2014 16:48
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Thu, 15 May 2014 12:02
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Aragorn on Thu, 15 May 2014 01:16
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:20
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Johnny on Tue, 13 May 2014 18:35
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Mike Yetto on Tue, 13 May 2014 23:04
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: crankypuss on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:26
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 14 May 2014 12:28
		Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 13 May 2014 16:26

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