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Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme [message #20829 is a reply to message #15408]

Fri, 29 October 2004 13:31

JamesS

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D9rr: XHTML is indeed useful if you are writing a web page that uses other XML based markup. This forum, however, is straight HTML which requires no use of XML.

Personally, I would like to see the forum written to HTML 4.01 Strict. If it were written that way then changing to XHTML, if such a change were ever needed, would be trivial.

The following three articles explain very well why using CSS to represent a grid layout (read: using tables [minimally]) is a waste of time:

http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/03/sliding-faux-columns/
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/05/css-grids/
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/06/to-be-tabled/

Basically, what you end up with is heavy markup that is structured like table markup but has to be styled to render like a table. And trust me, it is more trouble than it is worth to convert a grid layout page to all CSS. I worked for about two weeks to render http://thehub.clayton.edu/ without tables but ended up sticking with minimal tables because of compatibility (the page must work with IE). Note, though, that that page is tremendously better than the top level site, http://www.clayton.edu/ , which all "two clicks away from the front page" sites must be modeled after. I further cleaned it up on http://student.claytonstate.net/~csu10066/cims/index.html .

My point being, don't just say "I can't use tables they are bad" because a majority of people that are coming around to standards based design is proselytizing that you do so. Look at the situation and determine the best, most efficient, way to do the design while remaining compliant (hopefully strict compliant).

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		Possible to do an all CSS theme By: beamdriver on Mon, 15 December 2003 14:48
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Mon, 15 December 2003 15:43
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: gbjbaanb on Tue, 16 December 2003 23:08
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Tue, 16 December 2003 23:14
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: beamdriver on Wed, 17 December 2003 14:30
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: gbjbaanb on Wed, 17 December 2003 18:44
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: AzaToth on Wed, 17 December 2003 19:58
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: beamdriver on Wed, 17 December 2003 20:37
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Wed, 17 December 2003 21:57
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: gbjbaanb on Wed, 17 December 2003 22:54
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: gbjbaanb on Wed, 17 December 2003 22:57
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Wed, 17 December 2003 23:25
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: AzaToth on Wed, 17 December 2003 23:56
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Thu, 18 December 2003 00:04
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: beamdriver on Fri, 19 December 2003 14:41
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: tgaastra on Fri, 02 January 2004 03:06
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Fri, 02 January 2004 04:27
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: tgaastra on Fri, 02 January 2004 05:53
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Fri, 02 January 2004 15:53
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: tallship on Sat, 15 May 2004 15:37
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Wed, 17 December 2003 23:24
		Any news about the all CSS theme ? By: Spooky on Wed, 28 April 2004 06:50
		Re: Any news about the all CSS theme ? By: Ilia on Wed, 28 April 2004 13:26
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: showdax on Fri, 02 July 2004 04:31
		Any news on the tableless design front By: Spooky on Sat, 02 October 2004 07:05
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: JamesS on Tue, 19 October 2004 15:48
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Tue, 19 October 2004 15:57
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: JamesS on Tue, 19 October 2004 16:55
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: D9rr on Thu, 28 October 2004 20:28
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: JamesS on Fri, 29 October 2004 13:31
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Fri, 29 October 2004 13:39
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: D9rr on Fri, 29 October 2004 17:47
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ric Fischer on Sun, 31 October 2004 05:07
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Sun, 31 October 2004 18:06
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: D9rr on Mon, 01 November 2004 01:54
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: JamesS on Fri, 29 October 2004 13:49
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Fri, 29 October 2004 14:01
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: JamesS on Fri, 29 October 2004 14:11
		Re: Possible to do an all CSS theme By: Ilia on Fri, 29 October 2004 14:15

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