| Re: Groups/Ranks/Users [message #2304 is a reply to message #2233] |
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esm2002
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Well, I had prepared a long post saying that I still did not understand....but now I think I understand...at least the basics.
FUDForum maintains a listing of all forum/group permissions settings. Each newly created forum/group has their permission settings stored here. You can edit these permission at any time. However, changing the settings at this level does not change the settings of any forum/group that these settings were previously assigned to. Any changes to the permissions affect only future forums/groups that are assigned this forum/group settings. In other words this listing is used to grant/deny access to a forum/group initially. There appears to be no direct functionality of the listing except when initially assigning the settings of a "member" ( see below ).
Maybe I am wrong on this but that is what is seems like to me.
To see the listing go to the Admin Control Panel and I click on the Groups Manager link.
Two types of groups exist initially for this listing: the Anonymous group and the All Registered Users group. These are accessible thru the Admin Control Panel, Groups Manager option and can be edited/deleted there. They are initially assigned to each forum/group when it is created. While each forum/group that is created has a permissions setting added to this list, they are not added to the forum/group itself - only the Anonymous group and the All Registered Users group are added initially when the forum/group is created.
When you create a forum, the Anonymous group and the All Registered Users group are assigned to each forum. You can edit each of these groups for that particular forum without changing the global listing settings for the two groups. The Good...you can have different permissions for different forums for the Anonymous group and the All Registered Users group; The Bad....you have to update every forum if you want to change the same permission setting across forums for either.
From another post that I read, there were no user defined groups in earlier versions. In the latest version you can define your own groups.
When I am in a forum and click on the Admin : | Group(s) Manager link, I go to a Group Editor Selection screen. Here, I can edit a group - basically, the forums I have created ( but also other groups that I have already created in the Groups Manager link in the Admin Control Panel ). Once I click the "Edit Group" button, I can do one of two things. First, I can assign a "member" to the forum/group and give that member whatever permissions I want for that forum. Second, I can edit or delete the various members of that group/forum. Remember, by default, the "Anonymous" and "All Registered Users" groups were added to this group/forum when it was initially created and these are independent of the global groups - I can edit or delete either one without changing the global settings for these groups.
Two things here. I can delete either or both of the Anonymous group or the All Registered Users group. However, I see no way to add either of them back once deleted. Which leads to the second point, I see no way to add a settings group to this forum/group.
So, yes, I can add a user to a forum/group. I think this might have some limited value. One or two, a handful, even a small number. But I don't want to have a group with 35,000 users assigned to it.
No, I do not see a way to add a group to a forum - adding a group to a group would probably be a very special situation.
So what is the purpose of the settings listing I described above??? I can't attach them ( forums/groups ) to users and I can't attach them ( forums/groups ) to other forums/group. They appear to be just there in the listing.
"Each group can control permissions over multiple forums,..." How? I see no way to add a group to a forum.
"...you "attach" forums to a group via the admin "Group Manager..." How do I attach a forum to a group ( It would seem to be just the opposite )????
"...by selecting the forums you want the group to control via the multiselect." Where exactly is this "multiselect" located????? How is it invoked????
What I see is:
1. the Anonymous group and the All Registered Users group can be assigned to each forum and I can assign permissions for each at the forum level.
2. I can attach permissions for a single user at the forum level.
3. I can attach members ( users ) to a group and set the user's permissions.
What I don't see is:
1. How a group can be assigned/attached to a forum ( see 3. above )
Hmmm. Why not allow the creation of a user defined group(s), set the permissions for the group and attach that group to a forum??? All members of the group would have the same permissions - kind of like the Anonymous and All Registered Users groups.
Well, obviously I am confused but I want to set this up correctly before I go live. Changing things after I go live would be a lot of unnecessary work.
Anyway, thanks for you help and understanding. I really like this software!
Gene
"The older I get, the more I admire competence, just simple competence in any field from adultery to zoology."
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