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PEAR is dead? [message #183819] Thu, 21 November 2013 16:15 Go to next message
Mladen Gogala is currently offline  Mladen Gogala
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The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
nothing. The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use
(Console_Getopt, Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? Having
such a repository would be more than useful, in my opinion it was a
mistake to standardize error handling and all those things that are in
the PEAR package.



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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183824 is a reply to message #183819] Thu, 21 November 2013 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mladen Gogala wrote:

> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
> nothing.

That does not ap-PEAR to be correct.

> The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use (Console_Getopt,
> Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? […]

Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not? If yes, why are you
still asking?


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183826 is a reply to message #183824] Thu, 21 November 2013 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

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> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not?

Yes, I have.

> If yes, why are you still asking?

Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
haven't had any releases for quite some time.



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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183829 is a reply to message #183826] Thu, 21 November 2013 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mladen Gogala wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not?
>
> Yes, I have.

Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?

>> If yes, why are you still asking?
>
> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
> haven't had any releases for quite some time.

pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago. Also, OSS requires people
who not only want to consume.


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183832 is a reply to message #183830] Thu, 21 November 2013 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>> [...]
>> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>
> However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.

The date there does not matter.


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183840 is a reply to message #183832] Fri, 22 November 2013 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 22.11.2013 00:27, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
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>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>>
>> However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.
>
> The date there does not matter.

So - what does a news tell us about the activitiy of a project, if it is
nearly two years old?


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183841 is a reply to message #183829] Fri, 22 November 2013 06:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 21.11.2013 23:41, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not?
>>
>> Yes, I have.
>
> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>
>>> If yes, why are you still asking?
>>
>> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
>> haven't had any releases for quite some time.
>
> pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago. Also, OSS requires people
> who not only want to consume.

ACK.

But about the last update of pear...

<http://pear.php.net/package/PEAR/>

Current Release
1.9.4 (stable) was released on 2011-07-07 (Changelog)

What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183865 is a reply to message #183862] Fri, 22 November 2013 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Arno Welzel wrote:
>> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?
>
> Most likely the GIT repository:
>
> <https://github.com/pear/pear-core>

Which is mentioned in the document linked from said section of the PEAR
site. Which is why the date on the PEAR site does not matter.


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183868 is a reply to message #183866] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:01 Go to previous message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Pointed"<Q>Oh, you'd like me to connect the dots for you, lead you from A
>> to B to C, so that your puny mind could comprehend? How boring.</Q>"Ears
>
> "The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)

Non-canon ;-)


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