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KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7654] Sun, 08 December 2002 09:30 Go to next message
KVentz is currently offline  KVentz   Russian Federation
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Hi!

There are at least two Cyrillic encodings: koi8-r (Unix) and win-1251 (Windows).

Historically preconceived that we use koi8 in mail and Usenet and win for web.

In this case there are some problems: first, "msg" file in thm/default/i18n/russian is in koi8-r. I must recode it to win manually after every upgrade. Problem can be solved by making two translations in i18n: russian-koi (for some Unix fans Wink) and russian-win. You can recode texts using "convert_cyr_string($var,'k','w')" php function.

Second problem is with Newsgroup Manager. By leaving "as is" nntp.php just doesn't work with messages with Cyrillic spells. The problem is in "apply_custom_replace($text)" in include/theme/default/replace.inc file. nntp.php just returns an error. I don't remember what exactly it says, but after next upgrade I'll send you an error message.

Using barbarian method "delete anything than doesn't work" I have changed apply_custom_replace($text) to:

function apply_custom_replace($text)
{
	if ( !($arr = make_replace_array()) ) return convert_cyr_string($text,'k','w');
	return convert_cyr_string($text,'k','w');
}


I just don't know, what this function does, but everything works with this terrible interference. Now there is no error message in replace.inc and I can read all messages in win in my forum.

Again and again thank you for the best forum I ever saw.

P.S.: sorry for bad English.
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7907 is a reply to message #7654] Tue, 24 December 2002 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KVentz писал(а) Вск, 08 Декабря 2002 14:30


There are at least two Cyrillic encodings: koi8-r (Unix) and win-1251 (Windows).

Historically preconceived that we use koi8 in mail and Usenet and win for web.

In this case there are some problems: first, "msg" file in thm/default/i18n/russian is in koi8-r. I must recode it to win manually after every upgrade. Problem can be solved by making two translations in i18n: russian-koi (for some Unix fans Wink) and russian-win. You can recode texts using "convert_cyr_string($var,'k','w')" php function.

this is wrong. koi8-r still standard russian encoding for web pages.
there is no any any rfc or similar standard which declare windows-1251 as russian web encoding. all modern browsers works with koi8 perfectly.

massive usage of convert_cyr_string() will slowdown fudforum. but you can use localized http server with transparent recoding function. russian apache from apache.lexa.ru is good example.
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7908 is a reply to message #7907] Tue, 24 December 2002 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KVentz is currently offline  KVentz   Russian Federation
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venus wrote on Tue, 24 December 2002 07:37


this is wrong. koi8-r still standard russian encoding for web pages.
there is no any any rfc or similar standard which declare windows-1251 as russian web encoding. all modern browsers works with koi8 perfectly.

massive usage of convert_cyr_string() will slowdown fudforum. but you can use localized http server with transparent recoding function. russian apache from apache.lexa.ru is good example.


Don't want it - don't do it. It was just a suggestion, nothing more. But can koi8-r be a standart if most of web pages in russian are in windows-1251?

Most popular servers are in windows-1251:
www.rambler.ru (search and rating)
www.yandex.ru (search)
www.mail.ru (free mail)
www.google.ru (Google-Russia)
www.lenta.ru (newsline)

Are you still talk about standarts?
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7909 is a reply to message #7908] Tue, 24 December 2002 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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don't be a fool. Smile
this servers except mail.ru running russian apache under unixes, where koi8 is default. you can verify this by checking servers responces with any http tool like wget. and when apache detects windoze clients surfing with msie etc. it transparently recode pages to windoze codepage.
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7926 is a reply to message #7909] Sat, 28 December 2002 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ideal solution would be to make another russian translation that would be based on windows-1251 encoding and then a user can choose what to use KOI8-R or windows-1251. Doing convert_cyr_string() in realtime will not only be slow but is simply impossible to do due to the nature of FUDforum's templating system.

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Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7927 is a reply to message #7926] Sat, 28 December 2002 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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prottoss wrote on Sat, 28 December 2002 20:31

Ideal solution would be to make another russian translation that would be based on windows-1251 encoding and then a user can choose what to use KOI8-R or windows-1251. Doing convert_cyr_string() in realtime will not only be slow but is simply impossible to do due to the nature of FUDforum's templating system.


When I talked about windows-1251, I mean exactly about another translation. Sorry, if I wasn't clear.
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7940 is a reply to message #7654] Tue, 31 December 2002 04:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i'm not sure about locale for russian-1251 translation. it should be 'ru_RU.CP1251' for forum running on unix server. and just 'ru' for win32 platform. and i think there will be no aspell support in 1251 translation.
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7941 is a reply to message #7940] Tue, 31 December 2002 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ops. this was my post. just forgot to logon.
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7942 is a reply to message #7927] Tue, 31 December 2002 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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which php locale server should use for 1251 codepage? and is there pspell/aspell support for 1251? do you plan to use forum software on win32 or unix platform (where is http server installed, i mean)?
Re: KOI8-R/WIN-1258 support [message #7966 is a reply to message #7942] Fri, 03 January 2003 16:25 Go to previous message
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There is no pspell support for 1251 and it is not likely to be added. I did recieve the 1251 version of the russian translation and the next release will include both cp1251 and KOI8-R

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